'Warri is bigger than some countries' Afejuku

Interview By

Suyi Ayodele


Dr. Tony Afejuku
, is the President-General of the Itsekiri Youths Vanguard.

WHAT is the philosophy behind the formation of the Itsekiri Youths Vanguard?

Let me begin by saying that it is essentially an intellectual movement, an intellectual organisation. We have some professionals who are members. We all are committed to making Warri and Itsekiriland as a whole move forward, especially in this new dispensation. We are committed to the political, economic and environmental emancipation of Itsekiriland. We are not interested in leadership position but we want to see how we can give the right direction to those who want to man the affairs of Itsekiriland.

Giving the antecedent of youth activities in the Niger- Delta, one is a bit afraid to hear about the formation of another youth group in that region again. How do you curtail the activities of the youths to make sure that they are peaceful?

To begin with, we, like I have just said, are an intellectual movement. We believe in peace but as you know too well, there really cannot be peace without some crisis. But in our own case, we will try as much as possible to curtail any kind of violence. We want to give an intellectual advice, an intellectual direction, but if we must, in trying to realise that, go out of our way to give a knock here and there. Of course, we will not shy away from that but that essentially is not our concern. We actually are mainly concerned, if I must add, with some kind of intra-Itsekiri cooperation and intra Itsekiri well being as it were, but that does not mean we will not look outside the Itsekiri community to do what we must do to achieve peace with our neighbours but not at the expense of our essence as a people.

You will agree with me  that MOSOP started this way initially and it degenerated into another thing. Don’t you foresee a situation where the Itsekiri Youths Vanguard will go the way of MOSOP with all the crises the group witnessed and which culminated in the hanging of Ken Saro Wiwa and the eight others?

I can assure you that we will not create a monster that we cannot control. We have learnt a few things and our movement will not go that way. The youths are mainly concerned with uplifting themselves, uplifting the Itsekiris, uplifting the Itsekiri nation intellectually, giving intellectual direction to those who are going to man the affairs of Itsekiriland. We are no more going to accept lame duck chieftains who want to feed fat on the people, the natural resources of the people and without giving anything back to the people. If we wanted to go the way of MOSOP, certain things have been happening in Itsekiriland  but the Itsekiris have been able to maintain some kind of maturity.

Sir, when you talk and you emphasise Itsekiriland, Itsekiri nation and the rest, one begins to wonder what has gone wrong with the recent cooperation between the Itsekiris and Ijaws and to the extent that they are issuing press releases on issues affecting the Delta State?

Today, we have what we call the Nigerian state and even the Nigerian nation but we still cooperate with other countries from Africa and other countries in other parts of the world. The Itsekiri people exist as a nation but that does not mean that we also do not try to also maintain some other kinds of relationship with other groups within our region in the Niger-Delta and Delta State as a whole and even in the former Bendel State. But having said that, in terms of the cooperation that you have mentioned, you see the calmness of the river does not mean that there is no crocodile in it. So, I will just leave it at that. We don’t want what happened before to happen again. Those who are signing all these releases and papers, yes fine, that is some good steps in the right direction but we must be alive to our responsibility and to see that never again, things that happened before will not happen, never again.  

Of recent the Itsekiri leaders were in Abuja demanding for the creation of Warri State out of the present Delta State. What informed that demand?

I led that delegation to Abuja on the cause of a conference of ethnic minorities and we made that demand. From whichever angle you look at it, and for whatever anybody may say, the Itsekiris are not getting the best out of Delta State as it is presently constituted. The Ogbejo imbroglio is still very much there and you knew what the Delta State House of Assembly did in trying to manipulate things by way of making Ogbejo an Ijaw settlement That did not go down well with us. The matter went to court and up to this very moment, no judgement has been given even though all the evidences, the case has been heard, you know what happened. You also saw the release by Atake trying to ask the judge certain questions. You also had the reply of the Attorney-General, something he didn’t need to do in the first place, insulting Atake. We have not got the best out of that. Secondly, if I must add, it is to our great benefit if there is another state from Delta State, a Warri State. We have more to gain. The Itsekiris believe that their destiny as a people is better realised... you know they have the right to self-determination, and they feel that the best thing for us is to get a state of our own where we are going to take our political decisions, our political destiny in our own hands. As it is now, other people are controlling that.

Would you say that Warri State is viable for now?

It is more than viable. The area to be known as Warri is bigger than some countries. In terms of size, we are enough and one thing we are good at is education and we have that. We have our resources, and right from time immemorial, you know Itsekiris are civilised. Before the whites came, we governed ourselves, we had been governing ourselves, we were a state of our own, so we cannot go too long in terms of being viable. I think we are very, very, viable. We have everything, God has been very kind to us such that we are more than viable to go it alone.

Well, I would not know how you will react to this. There is this idea that while the Itsekiris are complaining of being marginalised in Delta State, other communities there are saying that because the Itsekiri community parade intellectuals, they believe they are superior and that is why they are not satisfied with whatever they have or whatever they get?

Name one thing that the Itsekiri man has got. Do we anybody in the Niger-Delta Commission? Since when last did we have anybody in Abuja or Lagos? With all the things that we have, with all the resources that we have, so who is marginalising who? How many people, how many Itsekiris have been in the federal cabinet? The other people, they are about three or four, you can count them, those in the other groups. I do not want to mention their names. In the first, instance, what have they got. If we are on our own, it will not happen to us. In terms of education, I do not want to mention various states, the Itsekiris are head above them, so let us mind our own resources. In this case, the statement is very fraudulent and sheer blackmail to tell that others are saying that in spite of everything that we have got, we are still complaining of being marginalised. It is a blackmail and very fraudulent  statement In fact, I want to tell you that it will be better off for any Federal Government to still be in control, it will pay the Itsekiri man better than the hawks in Delta. This is the decision of my group, who believe in resource control, But will indeed the resources go to the communities with the way they are going about it? It will not. Well, there are certain things I do not want to talk about, we are doing something. Many of them, they travel out abroad every time. Even the present dispensation, things as they are now, they are buying houses in America for their wives and children and quote me, we have our facts, I do not want to mention names, many of them are not here. Most of the time, they are junketing about in all parts of the world, so they want these resources to boost, you know, to boost their postures that they do not even have.